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Hello everybody,

Been reading this forum for over a year now and finally decided to post.

A little bit about myself. I graduated from a DC school in 2002. I never belonged there in the first place. About midway through the second trimester I started to have serious doubts about it all. The doubts only grew and grew, but I never quit school. I guess I was afraid of being a failure.

I never believed in any of the chiro crap. I went to one of the more science oriented schools, but there was still a bit of subluxation junk thrown at us from time to time. I got excellent grades. The science classes were a challenge, but the chiro classes were a breeze even
though I had no faith in what was being taught to me. The only chiro class I had a difficult time with was with second trimester technique class, which was basically motion palpation. I could never feel anything while the rest of my class was finding all sorts of restrictions. I really thought I had no talent. Once third tri technique class came around I realized that there is nothing to feel and that everybody else was just bullshitting, or they really believed they could find restrictions.

It also struck me as odd that some of the technique classes contradicted with what we learned in other technique classes or lecture.

Anyway, I started my own practice which was a total bust. I then worked in a PI mill for a while. I was never so miserable. My family was not much of a support. They saw it as a good pay check and told me that everybody cheats the system to make a buck. I must say that the pay was good and it was only a four day work week, but like I said before, I was miserable. I was constantly down in the dumps. Sunday's were brutal because all I could think about was the four days ahead of me. I was unhappy with myself, felt that I was a scam artist and started to develop a big case of anxiet and depression. I was just not happy with who I was. My relationships with my family and friends suffered. I basically became a loner and shut everyone out of my life and kept everything to myself. I never hit the booze, sought counseling or anything like that. I also saw no way out. I was in debt up to my ears and had no other skills. I just wanted to quit, get a job waiting tables, make an honest buck and be happy with myself,,, but I could not. My family would be totaly pissed at me, think of me as a loser,,, so on and so on.

The day I got fired was a wonderful day. I was fired only a few days before my contract expired. I was a bit pissed off that I got no warning, but the thought of never going back was beautiful. So, I collected unemployment for a while and slowly found my old self again. Friends and family saw a big positive change in me.

I was unemployed for about a year and finally landed a job last month. Its not health related at all. It is food/retail management. It's long hours, one day off a week and lousy pay. But I do not care. It is just enough to live and I feel like a normal person. I do not have to lie to anybody. It is an honest living and when I come home at night (very late at night) I can relax and not worry about anything. Peace of mind again.

Sorry for such the long post. There are probably a bunch of spelling and grammar errors, but I was never a good writer. I could go on and on about my experiences in chriro school and my job, but I will save that for another time. It is very late. If you actually read the entire thing, thank you.

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Apr 25, 2006 at 10:06am QuotePost Options Post by Guest on Apr 25, 2006 at 10:06am
malpositioned, I read the whole thing. Many others will too.
Thanks for joining to tell your story, welcome.
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Apr 25, 2006 at 11:04am QuotePost Options Post by Guest on Apr 25, 2006 at 11:04am
Great to have you aboard Malpositioned,

Rock on dude!

I also graduated from a chiropractic college in 2002, and have flipped that profession the bird as well. To the chiropractic world you are a failure, but to the rest of the word you are just another guy trying to do the best he can while following what he knows is right in his heart. The chiropractic world is a very small and sad place to be for many of us.
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Apr 25, 2006 at 4:47pm QuotePost Options Post by maverick on Apr 25, 2006 at 4:47pm
I also graduated in 2002 from CMCC in Toronto, Canada. The story I experienced is very similar to the original poster's. I had some inclination that chiropractic was not going to be what I expected it to be while going through school.

Various classes had conflicting information, some taught by evidence-based chiros or lecturers and others taught by 'subby's.' Additionally, watching interns in their final year trying to obtain the requisite number of visits looked like alot of work and made us wonder why the demand was not there?

My 4th year internship was slow to progress and involved getting friends, family and almost anyone I could beg to come see me for at least 3 visits. It was degrading and I just hoped it would be better once I graduated and passed my boards.

As that period came and went I managed to get numerous but unethical jobs in rehabilitative clinics in Toronto. These clinic's only desire was to use my registration number to sign off on ludicris treatment plans for patients that had little or no injuries for the most part. I did manage to get a job in a medical clinic with respectable owners who would refer clients to me if warranted but the demographic makeup of the clinic location made it hard to bill very much as most patients were on social assistance and OHIP only covered $10 per visit.

Then the legislative changes came. OHIP delisted chiropractic coverage and motor vehicle accident claims were addressed with a more structured and strict policy to weed out the rehabilitaive clinics I mentioned earlier. These two events basically brought the incomes of chiropractors in Ontario to a very poor level.

During my few years of practice I did help some people but there where instances where people had no changes and a few got worse. I however did enjoy the benefits of seeing my work help those in need, but the unethical expectations of clinic managers ultimately made my mind up in leaving the profession.

I never managed to make a significant amount of money, even while working an average of 3 jobs. I did take up jobs in completely different sectors in order to make ends meet and I was embarrased to say I was a chiropractor.

When speaking with fellow classmates and peers I noticed that many where in the same situation, some had quit earlier and found different lines of work (policing, medical underwriting, teaching, PhDs, Masters, etc.), which was also reinforced by the CCO's (Regisration College) disclosure to me during phone conversations that a larger number of new chiropractors were working part-time (with another job to make money) or leaving the profession.

In January 2006 I was let go from a lucrative clinic job because I was not generating the money the clinic had expected. Analysis of insurance coverage between chiropractors and physiotherapist (2 physios at the noted clinic) demonstarted that physios usually had coverage far greater than chiropractic and as such most patients were referred to the physios by the local medical doctors. Additionally, the many of the local doctors did not refer their clients to me as I was a chiro and confirmed the poor relationships that exist both professions.

This was the last straw for me. I decided to leave the profession and I'm currently looking at a broad range of possibilites and opportunities. This decision has actually made me feel relieved and has given me a new outlook on my future.
I'm in a much better position today and can only say that it is unfortunate that myself and so many other students are getting taken in by a profession with no future and no backbone (couldn't resist). The school (CMCC) should be addressing new changes and the regualtory bodies here in Canada have done nothing aswell.

Anyways, I figure if chiro is to continue or improve the profession needs a major shake up -- removal of all subluxation based ideas and integration into the allopathic health care model with a focus on joint manipulation for immobility in addition to soft tissue therapy for musculoskeletal injuries.


This website has prove to be an eye-opener as well as confirmatory on many of my doubts and suspicions. Thanx again Chirotalk!

Thanx for listening.
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I'm also in Ontario Maverick, and I visited CMCC when I was deciding on which college to go to. I ended up going to the US like many other Canadians, and wasted a lot of money on an inferior product.

Grimace, come on down! You're the next contestant on "Blow your money on chiropracTIC!"

The next item up for bids is this beautiful, Subluxation Station. Which can be your's if the price is right.

I was like the Yodeling cardboard mountaineer, as seen on The Price Is Right, that kept climing up the chiropracTIC mountain as the debt kept piling on. Eventually I fell off the mountain, and my chiropracTIC yodeling career came to an abrupt end. Smiley

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In reality it doesn't matter what school you went to, since at the end of the day we are all just Chiropractors. What's more is that we are not Chiropractic team players, so we are deadweight as far as the profession is concerned. As you noted, the moment you stopped producing the desired results in your chiropractic job, you were fired and no doubt replaced by someone who wasn't any more skillful than you are. It is common to come across ads for chiropractic jobs where the boss says something such as: "Looking for a principled subluxation based chiropractor who is a self starter and will bring in new patients. Sorry, no wimps need apply."

With jackasses like that running the profession, who in their right mind wants to bother with this as their career?

Once you've decided to cut your losses and try something other than chiropractic, the horizon always looks brighter.
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Apr 25, 2006 at 11:58pm QuotePost Options Post by Marley on Apr 25, 2006 at 11:58pm
malpositioned and Maverick,

Welcome to Chirotalk, you are not alone.

When I graduated on Dec 2003 I took a different path. I choose to go 100% into the cultish side of chiropractic. I saw cults, scams, fraud and then got dropped right before Christmas.

It's not over though since I reported him to the State of Wisconsin Dept of licensing and Regulation. He will get shut down sooner or later.

After that I worked in a steel mill doing very physical labor for 9 months until I got into tissue recovery. I have been doing tissue recovery for the last 6 months.

Don't look back just keep moving forward!
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Apr 26, 2006 at 1:32pm QuotePost Options Post by maverick on Apr 26, 2006 at 1:32pm
Hi Marley and Grimace,

Thanx for the welcome. I am in a better place today but feel as though I've been cheated out of 4 years of school and 3 years of attempted practice. I wish this board had of existed when i was deciding on my career path. Well I'm in my 30s and looking at a new career but finding it challenging as I have no marketable experience other than personal training. I'm looking at entry level positions but it seems you need to know someone in a company to be considered. I sometimes think the chiropractic info on my resume is hindering my search, but what else can i do?
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Apr 28, 2006 at 1:45am QuotePost Options Post by boredcertified on Apr 28, 2006 at 1:45am
Man, 2002 and 2003 must have sucked. I graduated in 2002 and made the right move at first, I stayed out of chiro. I knew then it wasn't for me but I 'had' to listen to relatives and try it out. I've regretted it every since.

To be honest, it's easy work physically. Mentally...hell, let's face it there ain't no mentally. Smiley

For the actual work I do I get paid well, but in the overall picture I'm getting screwed too. Smiley

Malpositioned, if you don't mind me asking which school did you graduate from?

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May 3, 2006 at 2:47am QuotePost Options Post by malpositioned on May 3, 2006 at 2:47am

Hello,

Me again.

Just thought I would tell you a little more about my chiro experience.

First of all, I would like to thank Chirotalk. This website was the only place I could find others like me. There was nobody in my life who understood my positon, so I would come to chirotalk and read about others who had been or are in the same position I was. Thank you Chirotalk.

I do not know where to begin. I could go on and on about my misery in chiroland. I could easily spend hours venting my frustrations.

Chiro school was a joke. Don't get me wrong, the science courses were a challenge,,, but mostly everything else was a joke. The subluxation theory courses were complete crap. We had a subluxation guru who would give us two hour lectures on the stuff. There was a lot of science thrown into the subluxation theory, so I can understand how most people bought it. To me it was nothing but a maze of circular logic which made no sense to me.

Student clinic was pathetic. I think I got an A in it, but I had no idea what the hell I was doing. Guess I was a rather good actor. Just keep adjusting the same 4 students 3 times a week, write down the SOAP notes with a bunch of Vertebral Subluxation Complex findings, even though I never felt one.

The three semester out patient clinic was even more pathetic. The first semester was a complete waste. I may have seen 3 out patients in that first semester. Also had to write up a bunch of Urinalysis and CBC's, but I never performed any. We just had to pull out a sheet with all the results listed. I think we had to do 10 or so the first semester of clinic. Everybody cheated. We would just get all the answeres from eachother, or find somebody who had the answers from all the sheets, passed down from one student to the next.

The 9th and 10th tris of out patient clinic were way more stressful. I was in fear that I would not get the numbers I needed to graduate. I never had to pay anybody to come in, but it did cross my mind and I would have done so if I needed too. I was able to get the adjustment numbers, but was short on the number of physical exams. All I did was call a bunch of former students who were still in the area to come into the clinic. I was able to get 3 of them to see me. I would see them once, do a physical exam, adjust them and give them a huge thank you.

We were also required to be evaluated on a bunch of different things. Something like 40 total evaluations. I think maybe on 10 or so of those evaluations I was actually evaluated. The rest of the time they clinic doctors would write down an evaluation without even watching me. I could hardly believe it.

To sum it up, clinic was a joke. I learned zero. I never considered me or any of the others to be doctors.

I am not sure how my buddies from school are doing. I pretty much stopped communicating with them. I just want to distance myself as far away as I can from the school.

I would like to write about my job situation I had, but I am getting tired and will save that for another time.

As far as getting a job outside of chiro, it took me time. I applied to maybe over 100 jobs and got nothing. I was getting real desperate, but never even considered getting a chiro job. I got a few phone calls from former classmates in the area who were asking me to cover for them while they went on vacation, but there was no way I was setting foot in a chiro office,, even for 300 dollars a day. I just could not.

I finally landed a job. On my resume application I did not metion that I was a chiropractor or that I ever went to chiro school. I made up some bullshit story how I started a retail business that tanked. I kicked ass on the interview and got the job. The pay sucks and its 60 hours a week (no overtime, all salary), but I like it. I am doing something honest and the people at the job are all real cool. I feel like a normal person again.

Thank you everybody


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May 3, 2006 at 8:01am QuotePost Options Post by Copernicus DC on May 3, 2006 at 8:01am
You're welcome and thanks for sharing. Hopefully some prospective chiropractic students will come across your experiences and think twice before embarking on the same mistaken path.

Best of luck in your new future!
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May 3, 2006 at 10:26pm QuotePost Options Post by dochic on May 3, 2006 at 10:26pm
Hey all! I posted a couple of my shady experiences here too and really feel at ease when I read stories similar to mine (only because it makes me 'normal') despite the fact that my colleagues and family think that I'm a quitter! It hasn't even been a year since I graduated from Life University! June 2005 was graduation and ...I've already been in two practices-one a PI mill and the other a MD/DC clinic.

Both sucked and right now I'm taking some time off...I really don't think I want to be chiro anything anymore...I went on an interview today in Atlanta that was a total cash practice and they were looking for associates...the guy wants me to come back tomorrow to take a 2 hour test consisting of a personality test, an IQ test, an administrative test and an aptitude test....I was like ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? I went to school for a total of 8 years and you want me to take all these crazy tests so I can do slave labor and get paid $30K (many receptionists make more!) I was like...OH MY GOD...I cannot stand this freaking profession!!! I wish all of us could win the lottery to pay back our loans and then start over on a clean slate with a real career....

TO ANYONE EVEN CONSIDERING CHIRO SCHOOL:

DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!! It is a serious waste of time,money, and respect.......

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May 3, 2006 at 11:01pm QuotePost Options Post by Guest on May 3, 2006 at 11:01pm
dochic,

That interview request was probably the result of some "Million Dollar Associate" program where the clinic owner actually does pay you some ridiculous salary for marketing his quackery. It's well known that chiros eat their own. They're very cannibalistic.

You may see this " Million Dollar Associate" ad banner pop up here on Chirotalk every once in a while. Be sure to send him a complimetary duck as in the other post of mine:

http://www.myfivestar.com/

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May 4, 2006 at 12:26am QuotePost Options Post by Marley on May 4, 2006 at 12:26am
dochic,

You should seriously consider looking at other professions. I feel bad saying that but chiro is a dead-end profession. The new guy that wants to interview you sounds like a real jerk right off the bat and total cash practices mean subluxation crap. I could be wrong. Besides, cash practices are the guys who will say or do anything to get a patient and keep them forever. I use to work for one so I know first hand.

It is so messed up, I know, It's not fair you go to school forever, get into all that debt and then get treated like a dog. I did the associate thing for a while but basically it was getting me nowhere. Then I considered starting an office of my own but the insurance plans wouldn't let me in so I said screw the whole chiro thing. Luckily, I found a decent job doing tissue donation recovery. I know it sounds gross but once you get use to it things aren't so bad and my patients don't complain.
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May 4, 2006 at 9:05am QuotePost Options Post by Copernicus DC on May 4, 2006 at 9:05am
>the guy wants me to come back tomorrow to take a 2 hour test consisting of a personality test, an IQ test, an administrative test and an aptitude test....

Maybe it is more a test of how willing you are to blindly follow orders rather than specific aptitudes. I would think that this would be key for the usual high volume chiropractic patient mill.
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May 4, 2006 at 9:35am QuotePost Options Post by dochic on May 4, 2006 at 9:35am
Thanks Marley, how do I go about learning more about this tissue recovery?

Allen, I agree with you, it's a total high volume subluxation clinic where people pay up front for 6-9 months of care!! that in itself is insane and I probably wouldn't last long anyways because I'm a difficult one to mold!
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May 4, 2006 at 12:15pm QuotePost Options Post by gaikoknifenyom on May 4, 2006 at 12:15pm
I also know those types of practices where you pay up front for a year of care for 3-4K. If you do not have the money up front, well there is some company who would be very happy to finance you(the patient). They are a hit here in California. My buddy was gung ho about it 6 months ago, saying he was going to try it out. I told him at the time it was not a very ethical way to go, but if that works for you, then fine. I spoke to him 2-3 weeks ago and he said it fell apart, probably cuz he did not take one of those practice consultants courses for 25K.
Another friend got into the Master's Circle and he spoke about it like it was a religion. It was hard to talk about anything ewlse with him so I do not know how he is.
I am still in my own practice, waiting for the right time to cut the cord.
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May 4, 2006 at 2:38pm QuotePost Options Post by Marley on May 4, 2006 at 2:38pm
The Master Circle is just as bad as the rest of the consulting firms. They incorporate psycho-cybernetics into the mix, which is just another form of brainwashing. They make themselves out to be the good chiropractors but I interviewed with a guy here in Wisconsin who was just as corrupt any of the Body By God people. He used a subluxation station along with a three day report of findings. It was nonsense!
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May 4, 2006 at 6:33pm QuotePost Options Post by gaikoknifenyom on May 4, 2006 at 6:33pm
Yuck, the subluxation station. I had a SEMG machine(Myovision) for a few years and the thing was horrible. Yes, if I myself bought into I was able to bring people in during the spinal screenings. That came crashing down when I was at some expensive event and a young girl sat down and after I gave her the report she asked me to do it again. Whoops, totally different result!! Then she asked me to do it on her again. Again a differnt result. She finally asked me which result is it so she could tell her Chiropractor. I felt like a true retard and just wished her to disappear. That was partially the beginning of the end for me.
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May 4, 2006 at 8:24pm QuotePost Options Post by Marley on May 4, 2006 at 8:24pm
That sub station works really good if you have no conscience or brains (like some of the CA's that were working at the last chiro job). Oh yeah I forgot you have to get them to put down $20 to reserve an appointment for a phony exam. Oh, but that $20 will be donated to charity if that makes you feel better.
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Hi Dochic,

Welcome to Chirotalk and sorry to hear about your situation.

If you don't mind, I would like to offer some unsolicited advice. You said that you graduated from Life University in 2005. I am assuming you took out at least some student loans?

One thing that was pointed out to me on this list is that the amount of student loans you can take usually maxes out at 150k. Therefore, if you are ever thinking of going back to school for a new career, you should do it before the interest brings your loans up to 150k. Once they hit that number, you are probably ineligible for student loans.

This may sound like strange advice -- and I certainly don't recommend taking out any more loans than you already have unless neccessary -- but I have been looking at a Masters degree program that is only 20k in recent years. The degree would probably increase my current income 20-30k per year. Unfortunately, I am now ineligible for student loans.

If I had gotten back in school soon after graduating, I might have been able to get the degree. My DC is a totally worthless liability that I no longer include on my resume. Btw, I am also a Life graduate.
It hasn't even been a year since I graduated from Life University! June 2005 was graduation and ...I've already been in two practices-one a PI mill and the other a MD/DC clinic.

If the posts on this list are any indication of a trend, students seem to be getting out of the profession faster and faster after graduating these days.

I suspect this is because once new graduates really see what options they have in the chiro job market, the decision to get out is pretty easy. A lot of the chiro enthusiast posters here are still in school. Once they get out and start looking at associateships, it's a whole different perspective.
looking for associates...the guy wants me to come back tomorrow to take a 2 hour test consisting of a personality test, an IQ test, an administrative test and an aptitude test....I was like ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

Hehe.. make sure it's not a Scientology personality test!

I agree with Dr. Botnick though... often these "tests" are probably in a large part about seeing how well you'll follow orders / how much BS you'll endure to get the position.

I had all sorts of crazy requests when I was looking for associateships. One guy wanted me to follow a series of requests that he had posted to a website online. The first was to write an essay about why I wanted to be a chiropractor. How I wish I still had the website address!

Keep in mind, I had never even met the guy (he was in another state), been told what the salary was, or what my job at the clinic would be like. He wanted me to jump through all these hoops just to eventually get a job interview.

All in all, I found the chiropractic job market to be one big headache full of crooks and hucksters. Luckily I didn't have a family to support at the time I was playing games with all these clowns.
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May 5, 2006 at 12:04am QuotePost Options Post by boredcertified on May 5, 2006 at 12:04am
Personality tests...Ha Ha...you must be applying for my job. I had to go through the same stupid thing. Dumb questions that have nothing to do with proving how competent I was. Hell, I was never even asked to adjust anyone til I was walking out of the door after the interview and someones wife (not even a doc) stopped me and asked me to adjust her...she was just curious.

I've interviewed (formally) tons of people for the phone company and after going through this interview I almost (and should have) said forget it just b/c I thought the interview was an insult to my intelligence (obviously not since I took the stupid job). Smiley

In the end I'm just a warm body in a dead end job and that's what they were looking for. :-X

You know the job ain't worth having when they don't even ask for your state license number or verification of malpractice insurance. (Yes, true in my case...I have both but heck they'd never know it if I didn't). Or even background checks...chiro's are too cheap to see if you got a record. Smiley
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May 5, 2006 at 11:42am QuotePost Options Post by dochic on May 5, 2006 at 11:42am
HEY all, I truly appreciate all the advice and I'm considering going back into a masters program-maybe public health, or something but I will not go back to LIFE UNIVERSITY to do it!!! I've given those people too much of my money already!!!

BTW-I am 7 weeks pregnant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's probably the only positive thing in my life right now and there goes trying to find a chiro job-yeah, try telling them you're pregnant! I am looking for corporate customer service job for now to get me some money and hopefully enroll in a masters program by the fall :-)

Let's see how it goes and anyone got tips for morning sickness?? *hehe*
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That "initial work agreement" wouldn't happen to include silly, degrading marketing gimmicks and a dedication to subluxation theory, would it?



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May 5, 2006 at 3:34pm QuotePost Options Post by drj on May 5, 2006 at 3:34pm
dochic, I remember when we had our child, the morning sickness, the weight gain, the nausea, and then what my wife had to go through. Ha! Best of luck dochic, there's nothing better.
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May 13, 2006 at 7:15am QuotePost Options Post by Copernicus DC on May 13, 2006 at 7:15am
Congratulations dochic! Don't forget there are many online degree programs, just be careful as you are now more aware that school regulation is woefully lax.
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May 14, 2006 at 5:49am QuotePost Options Post by Copernicus DC on May 14, 2006 at 5:49am
Give it a rest Kyejoo. We all know that chiropractic's institutional problems and corruption are its own mess, not the creation of the victims.

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May 14, 2006 at 10:20am QuotePost Options Post by Guest on May 14, 2006 at 10:20am
Kyejoo,

Anyone here who has quit the profession has had to deal with a lot of people essentially saying the types of things you've just said:

From the supporter of chiropractic that we have known, we hear the following:

"Don't blame Chiropractic, it's your fault it hasn't worked for you."

And from people we know in general:

"Don't give up on chiropractic, it's a great profession."

Want to know a secret kyejoo? Once you've decided to leave chiropractic, there is no turning back. And the only regret I feel comes from having to hear the pathetic guilt trips coming from people of your ilk.


Also, if chiro is not for everyone and only 50% make a go of it in practise. Why would you expect the handful of regulars that are former chiros here to suddenly hear your chiropractic siren and then get the big idea? Isn't it more likely that you are just trying to influence the opinions of those guests who are sitting on the fence about chiropractic? If chiropractic isn't in big trouble, then why does it need to have supporters who defend it using deceitful arguments?
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May 14, 2006 at 10:37am QuotePost Options Post by jerrymuelver on May 14, 2006 at 10:37am
dochic said:
Let's see how it goes and anyone got tips for morning sickness?? *hehe*

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Jul 8, 2006 at 1:25pm QuotePost Options Post by movingon on Jul 8, 2006 at 1:25pm
Hello all,
I have been lurking for a while on this site, but can no longer just watch. My story is long and confusing, and maybe even a bit boring. I'll break up my thoughts in sections to make it easier ----- there is so much going through my head right now.

1. Graduated from NCC in late '97. Things were bleak before I even picked up the DC. My internship experience was extremely poor - everything was just ice, IFC,and adjust. My clinician could not of cared less about my skills or my future. She was just there to pick up a little supplemental income. National wasn't very subluxation based on the surface, but it was there (i.e. motion palp). The sciences were very intense, and I learned quite a bit diagnostically (medically speaking). However, I remember feeling very confused when I graduated. I hardly knew how to adjust (which is the bread and butter of a chiro), and it seemed liked the adjustments were always the same regardless of the condition. I have yet to find a subluxation, and that ain't gonna change ----- they don't exist. I felt like a pseudo MD when I got out. I had no idea what a chiropractor was or did, no idea how to start a business, no idea how to pay my loans, - VERY CONFUSED. A year later I was out of the profession and basically floated through life with little or no motivation to get back involved. Made a few bucks over the next 5 years in the bar/restaurant industry, but I knew this was a dead end. My frustration rose to an all-time high, I was going nowhere in life, and I had to find a profession I loved and could do for a long time.

2. In approx. 2000, I started to apply for a career as a firefighter and paramedic. It took approx. 3 years to land this job as it is extremely competitive in my area. It is a full time position that I truly love and can't imagine being without. Ironically, all I needed to get into chiro school was a 2.5 GPA and the proper pre-reqs. No interview, no questions asked. I recall being disappointed at how easy it was to get into chiro school. 4 years and $100,000 and no interview? Hello!!!! BIG RED FLAG!!!! Unfortunatley, I have no one to balme but myself for my lack of critical thinking skills at the time. Who would of thought it to be more difficult to become a fireman/paramedic than a "doctor?"

3. Here comes the icing on the cake, hang in there. Because the schedule of a fireman ( 24 hours on, 48 hours off) permits you to have a "side-job", most take advantage of this. Fireman are generally handy and skilled when it comes to mechanical applications. I am an exception, as my background is in the sciences. Many are carpenters, electricians, etc. for thier side job. I came up with the grand idea that maybe I quit chiropractic to quickly the first time around... maybe i just didn't give it enough of a chance. I still had alot of guilt over the time and money I had invested into this profession, so I decided to try and get my license back (it had lapsed). It was an expensive and time consuming process to gain re-licensure, but I did it and started up again from scratch as and independent contractor. Months went by without many patients and without much motivation. What was the problem? I know, I needed help from one of the management groups. I' d heard so many great things about their services and all the money you could make! I went to Pinnacle, Singer, and Masters Circle Seminars. I finally decided on the Masters Cirlce. It was extremely expensive, but I convinced myself that if I was going to survive as a chiropractor, and even prosper, I needed help. Things got a little better for a while, but the same "flashing red lights" that were in my mind for so long could not be denied anymore. About 1 month ago, I discovered this web-site. I found that there were so many other people out there who felt like I did regarding the philosophies and practice of chiropractic. I felt vindicated ---- I'm not nuts ---- there is no subluxation, you don't need 30 visits to correct this problem, real docs don't use scripts, I don't want to be a salesman, and on and on and on.................. I can finally say I am done with chiropractic --- and feel confident and comfortable with it. To be at PEACE with myself.

4. I still am looking to find a "side-job." I am seriously considering RN, personal trainer, etc. Anything where I can utilize my health care background. This web-site has been instrumental in helping me move on. I will say that I am fortunate to have a career that I love, and even moreso that I have the opportunity to supplement it with another career.

5. Bottom line ----- I want to prevent others from making the same mistakes I did. If you are considering a career in chiro, do your research, and think again. It is much more a sales job than a doctoring job. And you will be selling stuff that is imagined. Most importantly, stay positive and realize there is light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for listening. I am here to share and help.
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Jul 8, 2006 at 5:16pm QuotePost Options Post by Goodview on Jul 8, 2006 at 5:16pm
movingon - That was terrific

Well that was from the heart. Way to go. Well said and nothing boring about that. While this info will help others I hope you feel you have contributed to exposing the scam and possibly saving someone else the expense.
The thing about you is that you have not done what we here tell others to do because we said it, (which we try and emphasize so that when someone makes the move they know in their own mind why they did it and it was not because someone told them to but because someone showed them why they should and they examined it and came to see that they too saw it the same way). So because you saw something wrong and what we provided was exact confirmation that what you saw to be wrong, you heard others here expressing the same thing.
That and your personal efforts as well as experience with the con artists in chiropractic you are now a professional witness to the lies and scams that the unenlightened young chiro will inevitably become the victim of.
I personally believe the biggest victims of chiropractic are the chiropractors.
Thanks for your contribution.
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the other day while looking at my PA license and dusting off my chiro license, i realized i received my PA license almost exactly five years later (3 days difference) Smiley Smiley
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Post Icon Posted: Aug 31st, 2016 at 10:51 am

I think of the term subluxation this way: a joint is made up of two bones that essentially glide along a track which allows us to move, in a medical subluxation there is a jumping of the track, in a chiropractic subluxation the joint has become a bit stuck along its track. This causes irritation, inflammation and may result in pain, muscular strain and weakness and altered function to organs. The chiro gives it a little push which gets the joint moving fully again, which reduces pain, strain and normalizes nerve function. As such, a chiropractic subluxation is a medical sub-subluxation!
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I am sorry for your troubles, chiropractic is a tough profession in a tough environment. Motion palpation is very effective in finding restricted joint movement, I am better at it in the neck than low back, but it does take practice. Relax your hands. Don't feel that you have wasted your time in chiro, it will help you in your future endeavors, although I agree, it sure would be nice to know what to do before hand. I have a buddy who spent a year in chiro college then quit and is now a very successful executive in a very unrelated field. Carry on. If I recall, I at one time worked in 7 different clinics to pay my rent and student debt. Perhaps, if I had been smarter I would have gotten out then. Chiro is not the be all to end all and it is a completely different and complimentary skill set from medical physicians.
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